Training collars. What kind?

So for all of you who have biases about the different types of training collars buckle, choke, pinch or electronic, I have three questions for you.

1 - How well trained is YOUR dog, and what type of collar did you use to train them?
2 - How many OTHER dogs have you trained and how well trained were THOSE dogs?
3 - You get a yellow Lab, 85 lbs., owned by a 65 year old, tiny, woman who comes to you. The dog is out of control. Will not listen to her at all. The dog can physically move her around because the dog is so strong. Dog IGNORES her totally. So how are you going to get this dog under control so she can train this dog?
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I think many different kinds of collars can work. It depends on your training philosophy and also on the dog. Some dogs respond better to different methods.

1 - I have a 65 pound lab who is very strong and can certainly pull people along if she wants to. However, she is pretty well trained. I've done 5-6 obedience classes and work very hard with her. I primarily used a gentle leader, but don't need it much anymore. The only thing we're still working on is jumping. She won't jump on family members, but will sometimes when she meets people if I am not vigilant in putting her in a sit-stay at the right moment. However if she's wearing a gentle leader I can prevent the jumping quite easily.
2 - Growing up my family had several dogs (goldens, cockers, pug). We used a choke chain, but the dogs were not well trained. I think it had more to do with being clueless about training and having six kids in the family rather than the choke chain.
3 - First of all, to train this dog I would make sure it is exercised. I have a high-energy lab, so I know that exercise is important. That will help settle down this dog. Second I'd get that dog in a gentle leader. I bet that even a 65 year old woman can control her dog with a gentle leader. Second, the lady has to work to build a better working relationship with the dog. I'd get her to demand a sit before letting the dog go outside, a down before putting the food bowl down. Soon the dog will understand that following directions is rewarding. Make sure that all good things/rewards come from the lady, and come as a result of paying attention to her and following orders.

Now I'm going to suppose that a gentle leader is not enough to control this dog. (I sort of doubt this scenario, but you never know). I guess then you have to go to a shock collar. I don't think a choke or prong collar will work because the dog can still pull her around (if determined). Personally, I wouldn't know how to train a dog with a shock collar. I know you have to have excellent timing, or else the dog will not understand what it is being punished for.

Have to relate one story though. A black lab that I know was taught not to jump up on people by using a shock collar. The owner thinks it was a great tool to use. Yes, the dog doesn't jump up on people, but the dog also never approaches people. Totally aloof, uninterested in people. Very strange for a lab. I have to wonder if it wasn't the shock collar training that taught the dog not only to stop jumping, but to avoid people. I'm don't think that's a good lesson for any dog to learn.

I think shock collars are a last resort for a dog that you cannot manage by other means. However I do have an invisible fence for my dog, so maybe that makes me a hypocrite. I just think using a shock collar to contain a dog is different that using a shock collar as punishment in training. Am I crazy? (Seriously... thoughts?)

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my Labrador will not stop jumping on people?

Ive had a few dogs in my lifetime but this is my first Lab. She gets tons of exercise outside (i mean hours of running daily), I've trained her the command "down" which she obeys (when its just her and I inside the house at all other times she completely ignores my commands) . I've tried treats, Ive tried pushing her down and holding her their until she calms down, Ive even tried an electronic collar. I'm just out of ideas aside from shelling out $1000 i dont have to spare for dog bootcamp.

Labradors are a high energy breed and they retain their puppy-ness well into old age. My 13 year old still leaps with all four feet off the ground when its time to fetch the newspaper. Obedience training is a must. Get referrals from your veterinarian's office and local rescue groups for experienced trainers that offer group classes. Group classes are usually cheaper than individual lessons and you and the dog get the benefit of learning to focus on each other despite distractions.
Teach the Sit command. Practice it in public with plenty of distractions. Approach people and ask them to help you train your dog. Have her Sit and let the person hand her the treat you gave them. Thank the person and move on to the next.

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